Thursday, April 22, 2010

People Just Don't Know

AGM will be held at TC this Sunday.

I knew but now I understand that I can't really blame much of the church goers, they just don't know about a lot of stuff. They are ignorant of a lot of things. I can't blame them. The wolves do a great job in hiding under sheep clothing so, I can't be let down by them or blame to harshly of them even though they should be firmer and have better Biblical knowledge.

I think somebody probably decided to let me go on the TC small group email list. I don't receive them anymore. I find it a bit strange. Someone made a conscious effort to take me out of the e-mail list, yet I am trying to not think too much about it. I hope it's not under order of the new mentor. I hope it's the small group leaders who decided it, not someone else's wish.

Feeling wise, I think that's kind of cruel. At least let me know beforehand, like do you still wanna receive email from us?

But about heartless, some people are quite heartless at church. Some people are spreading rumors and negative stuff about people. And I know at least one of them is a pastor. Sad isn't it? It's pathetic. What do you do with that kind of person? God knows. I hope God breaks him down and humble him.

Thursday, November 19, 2009

As young people, we are idealistic. We have more hot-headed, we are a bit naive, a bit immature even though young people now are on general much more educated than the previous generation, but degrees and head knowledge cannot take the place of spiritual maturity which I think is a slow progress and not something we can earn merely with books; it's experience with God, living out God's Words. We might be well advanced by the measures of this world, but it's the heavenly realm which we aim to grow in and advance in. We are also easily manipulated. That's why our relationship with God is paramount. As young people we are easily influenced by others and that's natural. But at the same time, these qualities make us easy preys to wrong doctrine, worldly ideas and false teachers. So, a good understanding of the Words and God's view (instead of world view) is of utmost importance. We need to think, "What God wants us to think and do? What does God want me to be?" And that bond with God has to be unshakable despite of what happen around us, the world around us, our friends, our family, our closest brothers and sisters. The world might change, your friends might turn their backs on you, your family might disown you, but God will never change. He is our foundation.

Trust is something that take ages to build up, yet it can be so easily crushed. It takes so much time in fellowship to have trust but it's so easily destroyed by mere gossip and minor misunderstanding, pride and other things. That's why the Bible say, "Treat others better than yourself." To have good faith in others, to give people the benefit of the doubt, to not think bad of someone else unless it's really obvious that someone is hurting others on purpose. Always to check yourself first before accusing others. Always to give time to cool down and reflect before acting. I regret a few times when my emotion got the better of me. God gives us emotions but we need to develop and control it. God gives us the capability to feel, yet we have to use emotions wisely. We have qualities of God, we should hate injustice, it is something universal amongst humans. There are many prime examples of people, non-Xians, who stood up against injustice. We are from God, all of us, Xians and non-Xians.


I Corinthians 1:20: Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the lawyer of this world? Hasn’t God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
智慧人在哪裡?經學家在哪裡?今世的辯士在哪裡? 神不是使屬世的智慧變成了愚笨嗎?

I Corinthians 2:9: 正如經上所記:“ 神為愛他的人所預備的,是眼睛未曾見過,耳朵未曾聽過,人心也未曾想到的。”
I Corinthians 2:10: 但 神卻藉著聖靈把這些向我們顯明了,因為聖靈測透萬事,連 神深奧的事也測透了。
I Corinthians 2:11: 除了在人裡面的靈,誰能知道人的事呢?同樣,除了 神的靈,也沒有人知道 神的事。
I Corinthians 2:12: 我們所領受的,不是這世界的靈,而是從 神來的靈,使我們能知道 神開恩賜給我們的事。
I Corinthians 2:13: 我們也講這些事,不是用人的智慧所教的言語,而是用聖靈所教的言語,向屬靈的人解釋屬靈的事(“向屬靈的人解釋屬靈的事”或譯:“用屬靈的話解釋屬靈的事”)。
I Corinthians 2:14: 然而屬血氣的人不接受 神的靈的事,因為他以為是愚笨的;而且他也不能夠明白,因為這些事,要有屬靈的眼光才能領悟。
I Corinthians 2:15: 屬靈的人能看透萬事,卻沒有人能看透他,
I Corinthians 2:16: 如經上所記:“誰曾知道主的心意,能夠指教他呢?”但我們已經得著基督的心意了。

But as it is written,
“Things which an eye didn’t see, and an ear didn’t hear,
which didn’t enter into the heart of man,
these God has prepared for those who love him.”


I Corinthians 2:10: But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
I Corinthians 2:11: For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God’s Spirit.
I Corinthians 2:12: But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God.
I Corinthians 2:13: Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.
I Corinthians 2:14: Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I Corinthians 2:15: But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
I Corinthians 2:16: “For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?” But we have Christ’s mind.

This is off topic but it's just so good.

Anyway, a lot of times, I find myself putting up a brave face doing all I can but at the same time I am getting burn by some silly people behind me who are suppose to help me. Through the years, I realized that it's God who we put ALL our trust in, NOT people. That relationship with God is paramount, NOT relationship with people. Why? Because people changes, people can be corrupted, people have diseases and people include all of us. People can lead us astray. We need fellowship but sometimes, all you got is GOD. Your friends might leave you, your family might not support you and all you have is GOD.

Sometimes I wonder why I fight at all. Why put up a fight when people don't even know how to enjoy it. Why work for it when people always find excellent excuses to destroy it? Why bring people to church when the so-called "Christians" are killing one another inside? Am I bringing people to the slaughter house?

I try not to think about that. Just trust God. Just be useful, be of help. I do what I can and let God do the rest.

How can we show God's love when we can't even love each other? Loving is not easy. But we need to make an effort and learn. I actually wonder why God loves us, we are really bad. Just watch the news, local or international and you know what humans are like. We are a mess. Like 鮑維均 said, we are scams or scambags. He actually quoted it from another person, yea, but anyway, we are all scambags so should we be more inclusive and embracing and more forgiving? We shouldn't pick and choose who to care, who to love. In the world that we live in, we are not equal but we are equal under God. What gives us the right for scambags to bad mouth another scambags? Does God give you this right? How we get so arrogant? Maybe it makes us feel better, maybe it is to protect ourselves, maybe it is for advancement, maybe because we are insecure, maybe we are just evil, maybe we are just the devil's advocates, well, we are scambags afterwall.

God forgave us. God is like the rich man who wrote all the huge debt his servant owed him. But many of us are acting like that cruel servant who then went to another person who owed him just a little sum of money.

Monday, November 2, 2009

Reality

I think the thing with being a pastor's kid is that your life actually get quite complicated.

i love the church but it is very hard for me to be apart of it. just because i m the pastor's son, there is a wall there. i love the church but there is always an invisible barrier. i m not treated like the others, i m the others according to them. and a lot of it has to do with gossips and slanders against my dad.

what can you do? it hurts. and worst when my family and i are affected also.

Internal Affair

I just finished watching the Hong Kong movie, Internal Affair III. Kelly Chen totally wreaked it.

Anyway, Internal Affair actually reminds me of church. There are these few people like moles from the triads that penetrate the police force, except that they are doing it at church for personal gains and other selfish reasons.

But the church at times are in an ever worst state because there might be a lack of awareness like TC.

The previous post is from a Lo Sir, pastor from TC and I think he just went over the line. He doesn't respect me all that much, nor my sister or my family for strange reasons. He treats other members of church really well but I get crap from him and I help him with stuff but I just don't get a thank you.

I actually liked the guy when I first met him. He was idealistic, now he's like this frightened little chicken, listen to gossips and he affected his behaviour and how he preaches. He's very indirect when he preaches so as not to offend some important people at church. One powerful deacon talked to him after one sermon and gradually he became less and less pronounced. He can give powerful and emotional messages but it would lack message from the Bible.

pastor going overboard on facebook

20091024-25的一個周末所做的三件痛快的事, 讓我感到愛與痛的邊緣
星期六晚, 刻意動用了自己的假期, 出席一個講座 -- "子女是誰". 陳延三原來是如此有火的, 我喜愛呢. 他講的不帶一絲的理論, 講的是"內功", 是價值觀. 對很多人而言可能是不實際 (沒有講技術) 和過激 (勁插我們的文化) 的表達, 但就正正是我杯茶. 單單一句 "子女是父母的骨肉, 照顧子女就是照顧自己, 這怎可能是責任" 就使我活在愛與痛的邊緣, 百般滋味. 一路上與太太有傾有講, 知道大家都有反思, 但 "To be or not to be, this is the question".

星期日, 一篇為母會和平堂而預備的心血講章, 憑着神而來的勇氣, 宣講了. 耶利米的不離不棄, 不在困難中讓步妥協, 亦不就此隻身而逃. 百姓走錯了路, 就陪你們走同一條路, 好讓你們在更困難的日子中, 仍然有先知宣講神的信息. 這就是先知的生命, 沒有這生命, 宣講就毫無意義了. 很激動的呢, 每次回到和平堂宣講, 都是激盪得把心都震出來似的. 又是愛與痛的邊緣嗎? 那裡有這麼多愛? 為何愛與痛會這那的相似?

星期日下午, 多倫多好友, 其實是小學, 中學, 大學, 都曾經同校的一位好友為我們一家預備了節目. 為我們預備了房車, 郊外的遊玩點, 還已主人家的方式款待我們. 其實有此機會與小朋友到郊外已經是神的恩賜, 更有機會與好朋友一家相聚, 做了什麼, 講了什麼, 都不相干了. 她丈夫問了我一個問題 "做傳人退休後有什麼打算? 其實無什麼保障" 口行行地回覆了, 今天心中仍有漣漪. 對, 我間中都會想到退休的問題, 即 "無野做" 的年月會怎好, 確實頗煩的. 但這問題是由一位弟兄問出, 我感到的是關心, 不只是對我的關心, 是對整個傳道人 "行業" 的關心. 因為就他的認識與觀察, 發現了這問題成了他的小疑問, 剛巧又遇上我, 才發問. 原來問題無處不在, 關心都同樣可以, 視乎我站在那一邊看.
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Judy So
Judy So
i like part 1
October 27 at 11:35pm
Thomas Mak
Thomas Mak
唔好意思,其實除咗d上了車政府官同有錢人外,有邊行有保障,可以退休唔駛憂呢? 問題就唔只係傳道人呢行! 我想講在這方面有好多「同路人」呢! 憂得幾多? 對主嚟講,好少事啫,佢實攪得掂! 對我地嚟講,唔容易但要信多d,又想下辦法點退休好。
October 28 at 4:23am
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Thomas, 初初唔明點解你會講 "唔好意思", 想想下, 又怕想得多了. 不知道我寫了什麼觸動到一些你想到但我想不到的, 讀了幾次都想不懂. 同樣地, 我想不懂的, 又可能不是你最想表達的. 真搞野.
我以為自己不是把痛快 (就是愛與痛) 表達得很痛快嗎? 點解變成 "憂"呢? 真是要再苦練苦練下, 要再掌握得好一點.
難怪某某人講: "寫好了的文章, 作者就是死了, 讀者才是活的". 這就是寫作的既神秘又好玩之處.
October 28 at 4:59am
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
當我抽離, 把自己當做讀者, 一位認識盧永傳的讀者. 我發現盧永傳的痛快有一個共通點. 應該講, 不是有一個共通點, 而是共同地沒有了一樣東西. 這東西就在我上一個周末消失了似的.
October 28 at 5:04am
Thomas Mak
Thomas Mak
"唔好意思"係因為我嘅回應係離題, 跟你的分享"愛與痛"搭唔上. 我覺得似回應你好友對你發的問題.
October 28 at 3:18pm
Thomas Mak
Thomas Mak
最未兩句都係跟你互相鼓勵一下!
October 28 at 3:21pm
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
按 我的表達, 他們都是上了岸似的. 由上了岸的人說出這說, 對我來講都幾感動, 在我心中他們真的很nice的. 可是, 他們認為還未足夠, 我估因為有兩個小朋友. 真的, 在香港生活, 好難有受保障的感覺, 真真假假, 對大眾很大的困擾. 香港人真係很需要相互的關心與關懷, 不能靠冷冰冰的政府政策.
October 28 at 3:47pm
Calvin Chu
Calvin Chu
it seems like in Hong Kong life is just about 退休. You work hard in school to get good grades to go to a good university to get a good job to 提早退休. Iife is just not balanced. something is wrong when all that people think is about 退休.

anyway, be assured, God provides. 事奉 never ends. God doesn't forsake His faithful servant.
October 28 at 10:03pm · Delete
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Calvin, I strongly disagree with your point about "retirement waste the hard study in school" , since study is for the build up a mature life, but not only for the work. Moreover, my own view of retirement is a choice for a better life in terms of contribution, so the study will not be wasted. The question is when the people do not have the basic ... Read Moreprotection, that means they dont have a choice to keep them contribute freely, since they still have to work work work just for money as a 老油條. Have you ever meet someone working with no passion? I have. meaningless. I dont think that kind of people are balancing their life, they wont be happy, and wont let others happy. what a waste. Please, dont misinterpret me is not respect others. I just want to prove that people keep working with no passion doesnt means there is an balance of a life (whichs you have mentioned), since they are working for the money in order to have the protection in the future or for their children's future. In this case, keep working for the protection is an act of dont trust in God.
Finally, I dont want to talk about the retirement anymore, since my article is talking about my passion with my family, my mother church and my buddy. Please, try to read between the lines.
October 29 at 6:28am
Calvin Chu
Calvin Chu
Oh Lo Sir, I didn't mean"retirement waste the hard study in school". I think you misinterpreted me haha. I meant retiring shouldn't be the purpose of learning and a career. I was talking about how life and learning shouldn't be about retiring. Just to clear that up.

And you are right about no 保障. It's sad, those old people who pick cans and 紙皮. ... Read MoreIt's not right in a society as rich and small as HK. I noticed in Chinese society, there is this narrow view of education where education is about passing the exams, and getting high score, certificates and not really about learning. That's why there's so many cases of cheating from Chinese students in universities.

Thanks for the explanation. I think you touched on many interesting topics and issues in your writing but it is very difficult to discuss on fb, words just get lost in translation. Talk to you when i see you~ Emmanuel
October 29 at 12:59pm · Delete
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
well, Calvin. This is what exact you type "You work hard in school to get good grades to go to a good university to get a good job to 提早退休. Iife is just not balanced. something is wrong when all that people think is about 退休."
"misinterpret" ?, how can we interpret it in better way?
On the above, I just want to ask "why not ?", why it is not balance? If it is really not balance in your mind, it is waste. Of course, you can say you did not use the word "waste", but this is not misinterpret I think. About the irrational througt of "not balance", I think I did elaborate my points on above. That's why I disagree with you firstly.

Secondly, It is all depends how do you define retirement. In fact, no one try to or want to define it in my article and the responses, so I do think no one can comment others' point of veiw of retiremet here. That's why I disagree with what you said "something is wrong when all that people think is about 退休." what do you mean "all that people" ? who are they? How can you prove it shold be right or wrong? Actually, this is call "Argument from silence", hope you know that team. You know, you are not asking a question, but a statment. How can we interpret it in a better way? ... Read More

You said "words just get lost in translation". I believe writing is a art of communication, so I love to write very carefully. If writing is not a good way to communicate, how do we know talk face to face is more better way? What is the problem? I am asking a question with no answer.
October 30 at 5:48am
Calvin Chu
Calvin Chu
Hey Lo Sir, haha, my point exactly. This is crazy, we are confused about what the other is talking about. Maybe it's just me. Let me clear one thing up though, not balanced doesn't mean waste, that's putting meaning about something i didn't write. That's your interpretation of what I wrote, not what I meant. and actually, i m not exactly sure about what you mean by "retirement waste the hard study in school".

it is based on my notion that people in HK think about "退休" a lot, probably because they work very hard and lack 保障 as you mentioned. Base on my observation, I do find HK people, generally speaking, to be working very hard and lack security, especially when comparing with their overseas counterparts. And they do talk about 退休 more than Americans or Australians.

I don't think it's healthy/balanced when people thinking and worrying about 退休 so much. I do find people in Hong Kong working too hard and getting too stressed over it, which is basically an unbalanced lifestyle. So I was saying the general lifestyle for the general population of HK is unbalanced. ... Read More

I was writing in metaphor, so please don't take my words literally. I am also using casual American English so I realize that you are misreading what I wrote.

i think talking face to face is better communication because we don't only use words to communication, we also use tone, volume, hand gesture, body language, facial expression to communicate. Words is just a small part of it, and words can easily be misinterpreted depend on where you are from. And it doesn't help with our different language and cultural background.

Do you see this confusion, this is so typical facebook confusion. I am sure we experienced this before. Words get misinterpreted and it's very common.

so better talk to you when i see you. it would be so much easier. this is cool. it's a good discussion but i think the points are missing the points haha.
October 30 at 12:52pm · Delete
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Hey Calvin, I can see that I didnt misinterpret your word, let me explain to you.
Of course, you are useing a metaphor, thats why the reader should use the imagination to interpret the writer's meaning. I sure that, once the writer use metaphor, he / she has a purpose to resrve the rooms for the imagination. Do you agree with that? If you agree, the "not balance" is a sence of "negative" right? So, as a reader, I can use the negative word "waste" to fill in. Of course, different reader can use different word to fill in a metarphor, this is call "Reader responses" ( I think you should know this term). The question is, what is the subject? In the context of your first respons, I got the subject is "the people whose life is work hard in school to get good grades to go to a good university to get a good job to 提早退休 " . However, I dont think it is essentially wrong, thats why I did elaborate my disagreement on above.

The key argument , which is I call it an "Argument from silence", is how do the people plan to contribute to the society? it is not depends on working or retirment. However, we cant make a easy conclusion here.
... Read More
I want to share some more about communication. I think communication is a progress, is a movement of developing. Once two or more guys just talk to defend the self but not base on the movement, it is not a communication. Therefore, the means of communication is not the most important element, write or talk face to face are not prefect, since the limitations of human. If you talk to someone face to face who always said that in chinese " 我有講, 但不是這意思" or "我無講, 但我有這一個意思" always like that, Kill me man, face to face is so cruel. I just tell you my experience but not our conversation on above, ok?

If you still have the interest to understand the dynamics of our conversation, and if you dont mind to waste you time, just read the above again and find out want is our connection and disconnection. As a writer, I am very interesting to the reader responses, I will think how come the reader got this got that which's I am not expected, what did I write? sometimes got lost, sometimes so funny.
October 30 at 5:06pm
Calvin Chu
Calvin Chu
i think it's because I don't understand "retirement waste the hard study in school", but after realizing that you were translating Chinese into English, I think I understand it better somewhat. I think you meant, "retiring is a waste of a person's education." right? if so, that's not what i meant.

my point was that 退休 should not be the purpose and meaning of studying, working hard and life.

yes, this is really amusing...
October 30 at 6:32pm · Delete
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
I am not translate form chinese, but may be my english is too chinese style.

This is from yahoo's dictionary:
使荒蕪;使荒廢
The drought wasted the land 旱災使田地荒蕪。... Read More
waste is a verb here.
may be I should use "wasted".

my word in chinese is "退休使苦學得來的白費了", this is what i got from your first respons.

dont worry, I just try to understand what you write but not who you are. Surely, you can have your own point of view which's not as same as me. I enjoy writing and also accept the limiation of it. Everything has limiation la.
October 30 at 10:13pm
Calvin Chu
Calvin Chu
haha that clears things up, that is totally not my point. you misunderstood me. no, i just want to make sure that i didn't get misunderstood, which was what happened.
Sat at 10:37am · Delete
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Hey, you cant just said someone misunderstand you, than just said what you want to said. You should prove it. I did show my logic, but you didnt, just said "misunderstood". This is not communication. Please, read what I have wrote and try to respones point by point, if you have sincere intention. e.g. you said metaphor, than I showed you what is metaphor; you said my english is not english, I showed you my english is english. But, how about you? Have you see the problem? Not just HaHaHaaaa, than said "misunderstood".

Thats why I dont think we talk face to face is better.

Do you really see what I mean?... Read More
Have you talk to others like that usually?

I tell you, I am not angry, but disappointed, since I did you my heart and time to show my concern to your responses.
Sat at 1:41pm
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Calvin,
ok, I think we need a easy way to let go.
1. You said that I misunderstood your point of view, I accepted it now, since I respect you but not logically.
2. Also, I hope you can accept my conclusion too, which is you have not try hard to understand my points of view to your explanations and not communicate base on the movement of the argument.
... Read More
According to the disconnected reasoning, this two points are the fact. We have two different idea without ethical right or wrong.

That's it on this topic.
Sat at 3:21pm
Jessica Man
Jessica Man
Vincent, I understand your feeling in part 2. The more you love/care, the easier/deeper you get hurt, right?
For the retirement protection about pastors, it echoed a bit with Rev. Chu's sharing ytd.
Yesterday at 12:17pm
Vincent Lo
Vincent Lo
Jessica, finally I have time to response now. Michelle and Justin will have test tmr, so busy today.
About the Rev. Chu's sharing which is you have mentioned. I believe it shoud be a coincidence. I dont and cant believe a pastor is using the public preaching time on Sunday Service to echo a personal discussion. Therefore, it shuold be coincidence.
4 minutes ago

Thursday, September 10, 2009

I feel betrayed by the church. I get envy and jealous that I never get what others seem to get from church that people take for granted. But for me, it seems that I have to fight for every inch, fight for every breathing space. The heart is just weary and I just want to be embraced. I want to go up to people and give them a piece of my mind, to correct them, to lecture them and rebuke them.

Half the time I felt like I was being framed for crimes I never committed, judged on things I never did, labeled for things I did not do.

How can I bring people to church when it is so shit.